Formation Play Call Logic Adjustment

Formation Play Call Logic Adjustment

Postby regenerator » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:53 pm

It seems to me that, compared to real NFL football, shotgun/other more 3rd-down appropriate formations are called too frequently on 1st and second down.
Now, I know this is a lot less uniform than when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s where you almost never saw shotgun before 3rd down unless it was the old "Run n Shoot" offensive gameplan(which btw would be a fun addition as a possible playcaller philosophy in this game), but am I wrong to think it's still pretty uncommon? In the game, it seems most, if not all, the offensive philosophies seem to give equal weight to shotgun on 1st down as they do to, so, something more "normal" to 1st down like I-formation.

1) Am I correct in my understanding of modern football as far as. shotgun should be called more often on 3rd down as opposed to 1st down?
2) If I am correct, can we have this adjusted within the existing offensive philosophies?
Right now, I am basically creating separate playbooks for each team for 1st and second down vs 3rd down and long to get a more accurate formation playcall amount. It would be nice if I didnt have to do this.
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Re: Formation Play Call Logic Adjustment

Postby brooks_piggott » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:19 am

Sure, we can look at enhancing the coach generated playbooks in a future version.
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Re: Formation Play Call Logic Adjustment

Postby regenerator » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:34 pm

Mainly what I'm asking for is coach's calling more down appropriate playcalls rather than having to create all these special custom playbooks(a 1st down playbook, third down playbook, etc)...
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Re: Formation Play Call Logic Adjustment

Postby brooks_piggott » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:01 am

In theory I can force preferences of formations within a playbook, but that kind of goes against everyone who does want to create special playbooks for various scenarios with play weights in them. I can possibly look at doing this logic for CPU teams, but I'd rather work on creating coach-specific playbooks that reflect the coach personality. Will have to keep this in mind when we circle back to this logic.
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Re: Formation Play Call Logic Adjustment

Postby regenerator » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:38 pm

I see your point...its just something that sticks out to me as much or more than anything else in the game as unrealistic when i play games.

I guess I view it like this -

Teams shouldn't be calling Shotgun on first down as commonly as, say, the I-formation, and on 3rd down and long SHOULD be calling Shotgun/Spread/more pass-heavy formations, just as how they should be Punting/attempting FGs on 4th down instead of going for it all the time. Since we have the latter in the game, and teams do behave on 4th down as in real life football, it makes sense to have other down-specific behavior as the deault.

If we make this the default, it obviously can still be overwritten by making more down-specific playbooks, so if ppl want, for example, Shotgun 4WR called on first down 50% of the time, they can create a playbook and weight it appropriately.

I maintain the typical offensives in the NFL behave this way as far as which formations you see on which downs.
As a final argument for my perspective, it's still noteworthy ebough so that its referred to outloud by commentators when a team comes out on first down in Shotgun with 4-WRs in a non-2 minute drill situation.
The Run n Shoot is the main offense that I can think of that would do this sort of thing commonly. So if someone wants that, let them make a Run n Shoot set of playbooks.
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