Inside Field Goal%

Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Gary Gorski » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:10 pm

Yes that does seem to be incorrect on that page but it is correct at https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shoot ... 1610612754

The correct data is being used in creating the players and I am analyzing the data that was sent - obviously this is going to take a little bit of time to evaluate and decide what changes to make inside the game
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Pialdret » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:31 pm

Wouldn't mind providing more data similar to the excel file I sent for other positions such as forwards and Centers as I only provided data on guards. Don't know if it would prove useful but wouldn't mind doing it if it might make things easier for you.
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Pialdret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:58 pm

Seems the update did a really good job of fixing the problem. Seeing a nice variation of poor and good finishers within test leagues. Probably going to do some more testing but overall really happy with the fix.
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby binballin » Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:37 pm

I did some slight testing on this and the centers in my league field goal percentages dropped and FG percentage in my league is 618. with only 12 players over 50 percent.
ps after 2027 is when updated the game. https://imgur.com/a/wL9PXZf
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Gary Gorski » Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:56 pm

The code is setup to only show players who take a certain number of shots on the % even if you have all players turned on so that it doesnt show guys shooting like 100% if they made one shot so there will be more than that but yeah that is low and I'm continuing to work with it
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Pialdret » Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:58 am

Shared some Excel files with information on inside shooting after the update. Some observations:

Inside Shooting FG% for guards is still a tad to high. Prior to the update they were hovering around 80% in the restricted area, after the update they are now hovering about 70%, which is certainly better however NBA guards usually hover around 60%. Perhaps lowering the Restricted Area Rating for guards when the game creates them could help alleviate this issue? Insides shot attempts could also be a tad higher.

As previously stated, Centers are shooting rather poorly from the field. They are also taking rather low attempts within the restricted area, usually around 100~200. Most NBA Centers usually take upwards 250+ shots with multiple Centers having 300~400+ attempts.

Small Forwards/Power Forwards, like the guards are also still shooting a tad high from within the Restricted Area. They usually hover around 70%. NBA forwards tend to hover around 65%. Inside field goal attempts could also be a bit higher for forwards.

Overall the update was an improvement but perhaps further tweaking may be needed.
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby binballin » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:19 pm

I think the recent patch made a balance in my league between good and bad finishers but center percentages still have to be look considering only 1 center in my league is shooting over 60% percent of field goals
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Pialdret » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:10 pm

The most recent update has done a great job of fixing inside shooting among guards and forwards to be more in line with current NBA, so that portion of players is great. As for Centers I think many are shooting a tad too low near the paint. Perhaps the game should create Centers to have a tad higher inside shooting compared to other players. Not all Centers are shooting poorly, however a common thread among those that are is that many are taking far too many Long midrange jumpers and shooting quite bad from those shots . Centers certainly do take a lot Midrange shots in Modern NBA however they tend to be short midrange shots, not long ones.
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Gary Gorski » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:10 am

Are you using created players or real world ones? Is the player shooting outside jump shots out of line with his tendencies or he's shooting them in line with them but he's just a really poor shooter?
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Re: Inside Field Goal%

Postby Pialdret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:08 am

Using Fictional Player for testing however the problem also seems to be present while using Real Players. Here are some examples from some testing:

T.Wormley-

https://imgur.com/72QnUwH
https://imgur.com/He6i42x
Looking at his profile he has a 7 for inside shooting and a 1 for outside shooting. Not really a good shooter. However, looking at his Ball Actions by Percentage, 9% of his actions are pull up shots and 5% are catch and shoot while post up shots are only 6%. His Floor Range also shows majority of his shots (76%) are midrange and above the break threes. Also shot 0/63 from the corner and took a nice chunk of his shots from the top of the key, which is not a shot you want any player taking especially not a poor shooting center.

C.Griffin-

https://imgur.com/uVZFV29
https://imgur.com/r6PDswp

He has a 9 for inside shooting and a 7 for outside shooting. A respectable shooter. Majority of his shots are coming from midrange shots and above the break threes. Looking at his shot chart he's clearly a terrible midrange shooter but a nice chunk of his shots are coming from there. Like Wormley, he is also taking a lot of shots from the top of the key, probably one of the most inefficient shots in all of basketball. He's also terrible inside the paint (Non-RA) which is not something you see from centers.

A.Cundiff

https://imgur.com/VqJi6G1
https://imgur.com/4MjfPNb

9 for inside shooting and 4 for outside shooting. Like the previous centers he is taking way too many shots from the top of the key. He's also terrible within the paint (non-RA) and shot 9/126 from the corner.

R.Barnes-

https://imgur.com/wabRqto
https://imgur.com/m3nufkO

8 for inside shooting and 6 for outside shooting. He's terrible in the paint (non-RA), from mid-range and from the corner. He's surprisingly good from the top of the key but you really don't want your players taking a whole lot of shots from that area especially when the three-point line is a couple of feet away.

Conclusion: Some Centers have really wonky shot charts and many are taking a lot of shots from the top of the key despite it being the most inefficient shot in basketball. Some Centers are also shooting quite poorly within the paint.
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