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[Brode]

I'm making this thread to post ideas, comments, criticisms, suggestions I have or anyone has for this year's game. First of all, I love it! Great, Great, great great game. A++++. 500/10 if I had to give it a rating. Everyone involved in making this game I'm indebted to for the rest of forever. So let's start things off with 2 complaints.... (1)- I've noticed teams from the same conference can play eachother in the play in and first round of the ncaa tournament. This can't happen in real life, the committee makes sure this doesn't happen until the sweet 16, unless it's unavoidable then it can happen in the round of 32. (2) - I'm using rating scale based on 1-10. Why are there so many players in the game with 10/10 3 point jumpers? This sucks.

[Gary Gorski]

The game does its absolute best to see that teams in the same conference don't play each other in round 1 but this is much more difficult to achieve than it sounds. It is something I still tinker with but I'm sure you can see how if you move one team it could cause another matchup then to not be correct so then you have to move another team up or down a whole seed which could lead to the same problem plus over or under ranking a team.

As for being 10/10 you're thinking about this all wrong. It does not mean they are like 100% three point shooters or the greatest in the world or something. It means they are an elite college 3 point shooter. I don't know how many you are seeing but there are 70 players alone this season shooting better than 40% from 3 all on more than 150 attempts plus there are guys who are probably excellent shooters who haven't gotten that many shots to be in the rankings or don't even play. I'm not saying the threshold the game is using to determine what an excellent 3 point shooter is shouldn't be changed but I think it's doing quite a bit better job than "this sucks"

[Brode]

Thanks Gary for the response! I can't say enough how much I like this game and when I say something sucks I don't mean it takes anything away from the game it's just something that can definitely be approved on. Like how I see it let's say Steph Curry is a 10 out of 10 or 100 out of 100 three point shooter. So he's obviously "elite". Does the game give him exactly the same chances of making a 3 point shot as 3rd string walkon center who has a 10/10 rating for 3 point shots? I looked at the ratings of lots of teams and noticed that about half of the players on every team are 10's.
Regarding the other point about the seeding and teams from the same conference playing each other, I do believe something the committee does is move teams around and up or down 4 or 5 seeds even if necessary. It just makes for far more entertaining basketball if it's teams from different conferences play as opposed to having Penn State and Ohio State play for a 4th time.
Once again I absolutely love this game. I've been waiting for something like this since 2007 when 2k stopped making college bball games. This game is much more fun for me than college hoops 2k8 ever was. It does crash more than I would like but the backup system saved me once from having to start all over.
Do you have any tips for me? I'm in my 4th season with Maine. I've hired the best assistant coaches at recruiting, player dev, and scouting. But my team keeps getting worse. I'm 2-12 so far in my 4th year. However, I'm really enjoying the challenge. I love how hard it is to recruit (normal difficulty). I wish recruiting were a little more simple and streamlined though, or explained more. I'm not exactly sure if what I'm doing is right? I call them every week but theres nothing to talk about after you learn all of his priorities. How do I convince him to come to my school more and move up his list of teams?

I imagine doing the work for this type of game is extremely hard. It's always been my dream to develop a sports video game someday that plays exactly how I've always wanted them too. Especially soccer. I want a game without overall player ratings or positions, just indivdual ratings and you can put players anywhere you want based on how good they are at a specific thing and where youd like them to play. Anyway, didnt mean to carry on like this but thank you so much for taking the time to respond and I wish you and this company the best of luck in the future

[vols410]

As far as the 3-point shooting goes, Steph Curry is recognized not only because he shoots a high percentage at 3s, but because he is able to maintain a high percentage even with extremely high volume.

If you look at the NBA, you'll find many players with a 3P% similar to Curry's, but you'll find very few who maintain that efficiency with high volume.

In college basketball, the distinction is the same. Assuming the 3P rating applies to percentage made, you won't find a few guys way above the rest of the pack in 3P%. What you will find is a crap ton of players shooting 40% plus, and a few that do so with high volume, and that will be represented ingame with both high 3P rating, and a high Scoring rating.

Might be off-base here, but it makes sense to me.

[Gary Gorski]

Like how I see it let's say Steph Curry is a 10 out of 10 or 100 out of 100 three point shooter. So he's obviously "elite". Does the game give him exactly the same chances of making a 3 point shot as 3rd string walkon center who has a 10/10 rating for 3 point shots?

No - not at all. Three things are going to be taken into account for his ability to make a three point shot. One is his shooting ability so everyone 10/10 won't be the same exactly but they will all be in a similar range. Two is his scoring ability - a player who doesn't have a good scoring rating will not be able to get himself open often or create good scoring chances so he might be a great shooter if he's standing still wide open all by himself but he's going to get very few of those looks. The third thing is his shooting preferences. He might be a good shooter who again is fine standing there in practice shooting but doesn't feel comfortable playing that way in a game. So long story short each player really has to be valued by not only his ratings but his playing style and other abilities.

I looked at the ratings of lots of teams and noticed that about half of the players on every team are 10's.

I will look into this to see if too many are being considered as 10s

Regarding the other point about the seeding and teams from the same conference playing each other, I do believe something the committee does is move teams around and up or down 4 or 5 seeds even if necessary. It just makes for far more entertaining basketball if it's teams from different conferences play as opposed to having Penn State and Ohio State play for a 4th time.

I don't disagree with you at all and that is what the code tries its best to do but the selection committee is a room full of humans who can look at the entire board at once and clearly see how to move the pieces around where the code has to look one by one and see if it can move the game and then if it does it would have to examine all the games again to make sure the move it made didn't force another move. I don't want a situation where the code gets stuck in a loop so it does check to see if it can make a simple move without causing a problem but when it has to start looking at moving teams up and down multiple seeds etc there's just not an easy or good way to do it.

[Gary Gorski]

And just one other thing - FGJ is not simply 3 point shooting. Its just jump shots and that rating relies on the player's ability. So a guy might be a terrible three point shooter but if he never shoots threes the game then doesn't consider that for rating him in jump shots so if all he shoots are 15 foot jumpers and he's pretty good at making them then it considers him good at jump shots because that's all anyone ever sees him shoot.

[Gary Gorski]

Just for reference the 1.1 patch should tone down the number of 10s displayed as it was a bit high upon review. The actual ratings behind them haven't changed - just what is going to be considered a 10 for jump shooting ability

[alternativestats]

A hopefully quick fix for version 1.1. I decided to start my career at the absolute bottom so I choose the only 0 prestige option, North Alabama. This school is listed as being in Florence, North Carolina instead of it's actual home of Florence, Alabama. It's not a huge issue except that the game treats Alabama players as being out of state and North Carolina players as in-state for recruiting purposes.

[PointGuard]

A hopefully quick fix for version 1.1. I decided to start my career at the absolute bottom so I choose the only 0 prestige option, North Alabama. This school is listed as being in Florence, North Carolina instead of it's actual home of Florence, Alabama. It's not a huge issue except that the game treats Alabama players as being out of state and North Carolina players as in-state for recruiting purposes.

Are you using the bloomington mod? If so, I know that it's NC rather than AL in that mod. So you need to report that in the blomington mod thread so bloomington can correct it when he updates the mod. I am using the bloomington mod, so can't check to see if the state is wrong in the game's original default.dat file.

[Brode]

Thanks again Gary and everyone else in this thread. Would it be possible to have an option to select the tournament fields yourself? Ever since I was a kid I loved watching selection sunday and seeing who made it and who didn't, and of course who I felt should have gotten in and upset over the teams that did get in that shouldn't... It would be fun for me to get a chance to be the committee myself.

I didn't even realize there was a scoring rating but your answer makes sense to me now. And shooting preference? Is that like shot bias from 2k8? There was drive bias, inside shot, and 3 point bias. I used to always have to edit my players shot bias every single year so a 38 rated 3 point shooter wouldn't take 6 a game. Is that a hidden rating? If so how many hidden ratings are there?